grupak
02-13 02:50 PM
Grupak, I am not suggesting any single country is monopolizing the foreign worker pool. Employment laws in the US are fairly non-discriminatory except the diversity in workplace or "Affarmative Action" component which prefers a minority when two candidates possess the same skills.
My comment was on someone suggesting moving ahead without the ROW participation since they only comprise 20% of the membership pool.
WD's comment was in the context of removing country cap.
I know we all say things in jest. However, the only solution is (1) increase visa numbers and (2) remove/significantly increase country cap. Otherwise the problem still remains, and IV will continue to fight for a fix.
My comment was on someone suggesting moving ahead without the ROW participation since they only comprise 20% of the membership pool.
WD's comment was in the context of removing country cap.
I know we all say things in jest. However, the only solution is (1) increase visa numbers and (2) remove/significantly increase country cap. Otherwise the problem still remains, and IV will continue to fight for a fix.
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Macaca
01-28 09:22 AM
The solution however is not to disband the entire H1b system/EB greencard system as the anti immigrants want but to modify the rules surrounding it. I think most fair minded people can agree that this is needed now.
This is exactly what IEEE-USA (http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/issues/H1bvisa/index.html)is asking for us. It is not good for us now, it will not be good for us later and it is not good for anyone.
We need to educate ourselves about these issues. Ignoring them will not help. Just because we ignore it does not mean that the person voting on our bill is also ignoring it.
Based on such issues that I learn everyday, I am not surprised our bill is not passing.
This is exactly what IEEE-USA (http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/issues/H1bvisa/index.html)is asking for us. It is not good for us now, it will not be good for us later and it is not good for anyone.
We need to educate ourselves about these issues. Ignoring them will not help. Just because we ignore it does not mean that the person voting on our bill is also ignoring it.
Based on such issues that I learn everyday, I am not surprised our bill is not passing.
it is ok
09-23 12:19 PM
Kudos to person who started this thread. A Brilliant Idea..Minimally, even if it helps few hundred people in couple of years, this is more than worth. I will send mails. Thanks for your untiring efforts in the face of adversity..
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bskrishna
07-23 11:46 AM
I have seen nos upto 25k per month. So depends on how many resources are working on this as to the naturalization apps...
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old_hat
05-01 07:27 PM
I agree with you. It really amazes me that India is not even saying "something" being a so-called "super-power" in south Asia. Until the last generation of politicians are out of the indian political system, nothing is going to change when it comes to the image or pride of India. At least we should exert out strength and take a leadership role in South Asia and show our power.
India has a history in Sri Lanka. It started long ago with IPKF. A lot of Indian lives were lost because IPKF had to fight the war with their hands tied. IPKF could have captured Pirbhakaran but they did not because Rajeev thought Tamils will not get their rights if they did so. Then Rajeev Gandhi got assassinated. A few years back LTTE had the upper hand and Sri Lankan govt wanted India to step in and help them. India did not sent the troops. now the battle has swung the other way. It is fairly complicated.
India has a history in Sri Lanka. It started long ago with IPKF. A lot of Indian lives were lost because IPKF had to fight the war with their hands tied. IPKF could have captured Pirbhakaran but they did not because Rajeev thought Tamils will not get their rights if they did so. Then Rajeev Gandhi got assassinated. A few years back LTTE had the upper hand and Sri Lankan govt wanted India to step in and help them. India did not sent the troops. now the battle has swung the other way. It is fairly complicated.
Macaca
07-04 09:19 AM
Age out situations with children
Once a child turns 21 he/she can no longer be filed with the primary applicant. However, once the I485 is filed with USCIS the child is regarded as "safe" regardless of how long the USCIS takes to adjudicate the I485.
I have that very situation. My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008.
This is a HUGE issue if it is true. Can we verify it preferably with a URL?
This is what I meant when I said that we should identify all the issues and worry about english later. BTW, this is what is taught in a writing course: outline first, english later.
I have scanned most of the letters posted in thread. I will carefully scan them again and add their issues to my skelton.
Most of the letters are missing or not stressing some HUGE points like above. These HUGE points are bold faced in the articles I post. Editorials have a lot of these so called punch lines.
Once a child turns 21 he/she can no longer be filed with the primary applicant. However, once the I485 is filed with USCIS the child is regarded as "safe" regardless of how long the USCIS takes to adjudicate the I485.
I have that very situation. My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008.
This is a HUGE issue if it is true. Can we verify it preferably with a URL?
This is what I meant when I said that we should identify all the issues and worry about english later. BTW, this is what is taught in a writing course: outline first, english later.
I have scanned most of the letters posted in thread. I will carefully scan them again and add their issues to my skelton.
Most of the letters are missing or not stressing some HUGE points like above. These HUGE points are bold faced in the articles I post. Editorials have a lot of these so called punch lines.
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sbabunle
08-03 03:22 PM
Here is the link
http://www.murthy.com/news/n_elisub.html
on more abt substitution
http://www.murthy.com/news/n_elisub.html
on more abt substitution
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dilipcr
06-15 03:37 PM
The moral is GC comes to those who are lucky and apply for it. Its not true that always the best and brightest will only get GC. If the person is technically good or has good apptitue the best he can do is hang on to his job for years and also pray that his company doesn't go bankrupt (there is not fault of this bright employee :D in this case). Dilip was talking about some flush, this flush will wash all the bad apples and also some good apples.. good people also leave after getting frustrated with immigration system (of this developed nation, which doesn't keep track of its visa numbers, moves dates forward backwards by two years :D big joke They can't even predict visa dates. ) Instead of coming up with bill for fixing the credit market and financial system, he(Grassley) should concentrate more on strict reforms and more regulation for financial system, the root cause of recession instead of beating around the bush with immigration system.. He is trying to use the emotion of the local people.. those who have GC fall for such policies because they know they are ahead in the queue and more jobs will be available to them if few IT works immigrate (There are lot of jobs for citizens and GC only). I wished alteast the ones who have suffered throughout this GC journey will understand the pain of other people. Getting a GC should not change the attitude completely.
Ivar and group,
I think you guys are missing the plot here. Let me reiterate loud and clear. I am NOT against immigrants getting GC. I will not, even in my wildest dreams, claim that the recession is due to the H1Bs and L1s. That is complete baloney spread around by the anti immigrant lobby. My point is let the deserving the GCs soon and not go thru the mindless wait I went thru.
Having said that I am for the following :
1. If the outsourcing companies would pay on an avg at 80K per head for the "well qualified" people, I am even ok with their dumping their dumping the L1s here. Why is it that you guys are ok with the L1s being dumped at 40K-60K salaries ? Shuldn't they get paid high too ? This is what I am arguing for. If the outsourcing cos dont want to pay this rate, then keep them in the country of origin. No need to depress wages here. Is this a wrong thing to ask ?
2. Grassley's bill may force some companies to move entirely to India or China. Isnt that good for India and China ? Why are the pro immigrants against this ? Some times I get the feeling as to who actually is pro and who is anti immigrant !!!! In adition, it may eliminate the many backlogs and help the deserving people here.
3. People who have made a conscious decision to immigrate here have done so considering the standard of living as one of the primary factors in their decisions. In order to enjoy this standard of living, people have to constantly upgrade skillsets to remain competitive in an industry or move to another industry where mass interest is relatively low. Why should these people's lives, after all the travails, be impacted by the low wage scum outsourcing companies. Please remember these companies, like an other company on earth, operate only on self interest. No point in supporting such companies which in adition to the self interest principle also flout rules with abandon.
4. In my opinion, self interest has alwyas resulted in the greater good of society. Do not confuse self interest with greed. Greed is what caused this financial mess. If people/companies operated with concern for greater societal good, they would have spent billions in concocting an AIDS vaccine for the children in Africa than to spend the same billions in concocting VIAGRA for the rich old men. Since employment based immigration debate involves companies' interests too, we have to balance societal good with some impact for the companies. My suggestion here is that let the outsourcers take the hit. They have always benefitted by flouting the rules. If your concern is way too high for your L1 brothers then you would find it prudent to bring in the law that clearly states "Pay high wages for the L1s or dont bring them in here". I dont understand what is wrong here ? Is it that I didnt convey my message across right or is it that people blindly support immigration ?
Ivar and group,
I think you guys are missing the plot here. Let me reiterate loud and clear. I am NOT against immigrants getting GC. I will not, even in my wildest dreams, claim that the recession is due to the H1Bs and L1s. That is complete baloney spread around by the anti immigrant lobby. My point is let the deserving the GCs soon and not go thru the mindless wait I went thru.
Having said that I am for the following :
1. If the outsourcing companies would pay on an avg at 80K per head for the "well qualified" people, I am even ok with their dumping their dumping the L1s here. Why is it that you guys are ok with the L1s being dumped at 40K-60K salaries ? Shuldn't they get paid high too ? This is what I am arguing for. If the outsourcing cos dont want to pay this rate, then keep them in the country of origin. No need to depress wages here. Is this a wrong thing to ask ?
2. Grassley's bill may force some companies to move entirely to India or China. Isnt that good for India and China ? Why are the pro immigrants against this ? Some times I get the feeling as to who actually is pro and who is anti immigrant !!!! In adition, it may eliminate the many backlogs and help the deserving people here.
3. People who have made a conscious decision to immigrate here have done so considering the standard of living as one of the primary factors in their decisions. In order to enjoy this standard of living, people have to constantly upgrade skillsets to remain competitive in an industry or move to another industry where mass interest is relatively low. Why should these people's lives, after all the travails, be impacted by the low wage scum outsourcing companies. Please remember these companies, like an other company on earth, operate only on self interest. No point in supporting such companies which in adition to the self interest principle also flout rules with abandon.
4. In my opinion, self interest has alwyas resulted in the greater good of society. Do not confuse self interest with greed. Greed is what caused this financial mess. If people/companies operated with concern for greater societal good, they would have spent billions in concocting an AIDS vaccine for the children in Africa than to spend the same billions in concocting VIAGRA for the rich old men. Since employment based immigration debate involves companies' interests too, we have to balance societal good with some impact for the companies. My suggestion here is that let the outsourcers take the hit. They have always benefitted by flouting the rules. If your concern is way too high for your L1 brothers then you would find it prudent to bring in the law that clearly states "Pay high wages for the L1s or dont bring them in here". I dont understand what is wrong here ? Is it that I didnt convey my message across right or is it that people blindly support immigration ?
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Bpositive
07-22 09:17 PM
I am the primary application on my I-485 EB2. I have a valid AP. With the massive time it is taking to get the GC, I am considering working in India - with same employer; same salary. Can I do it and come back into the US while AP is valid?
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NKR
02-15 04:15 PM
Human nature is what tends to create the monopoly. That's the reason for having laws, we know favorism will always exist but a law would prevent it from going over the limit. The way you want it we'll have whites-only-business, asians-only-business and so on..
When you are tired of this discussion you should ask to stop the ones who started it saying their people are better and brighter than others and hence deserve larger immigration volume, before you ask to stop the people who answer them.
I beleive that there should be more representation of people from other countries in desi companies, but when more number of desis apply for jobs. Is it any fault of the company is they are hiring only them?.
When you are tired of this discussion you should ask to stop the ones who started it saying their people are better and brighter than others and hence deserve larger immigration volume, before you ask to stop the people who answer them.
I beleive that there should be more representation of people from other countries in desi companies, but when more number of desis apply for jobs. Is it any fault of the company is they are hiring only them?.
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snathan
01-16 01:40 PM
Accepting regulations does not mean to prevent Indians to come here. I can tell many examples. There are many bodyshoppers get h1B and make the persons to sit on bench in India or USA. I know some persons come here 1 year after getting h1b. But many reputed companies those who are real need of people could not get H1b as Cap was reduced. Putting restrictions on on bodyshoppers will improve H1b usage and wastage can be eliminated. And will make h1b program legitimate.
If you like the regulation please go ahead and follow that regulation. We are scrabling to find the legal solution here. Why you waste your time in something which you dont believe. YOu are unnecessarily deviating from the topic. Please ignore this thread if you dont believe in the cause.
If you like the regulation please go ahead and follow that regulation. We are scrabling to find the legal solution here. Why you waste your time in something which you dont believe. YOu are unnecessarily deviating from the topic. Please ignore this thread if you dont believe in the cause.
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jthomas
05-29 05:39 PM
can somebody summarise it and make a action plan
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manderson
02-12 12:09 PM
pls read my post. I said EB3 ROW
are you dreaming ... India EB3 is 01AUG01
are you dreaming ... India EB3 is 01AUG01
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alterego
07-25 08:34 PM
See we came to know from our calculations there are about 10 times increase in EB2 India visas. So that means we are getting visas of 10 years in a single year!!!!!. But theres not much change in the demand of EB2. The demand is amost same as of the previous years. But the supply has increased to 10 times. So in two years, 2008 and 2009, we are getting of 20 years visas. So assuming there were no spill overs, and 20 years from now means in 2028 , wouldn't it be possible to clear off all the EB2s (with out spill overs) with the PDs on or before 2008. So does it make any sense of EB2 getting close to current very soon with the spill overs.
OK, OK, easy with the optimism Vdlrao!:)
Eb India has almost always got more than its statutory limit in the recent past. So to say that the new developments will give us 20 yrs worth of visas is not correct based on the events of recent years.
OK, OK, easy with the optimism Vdlrao!:)
Eb India has almost always got more than its statutory limit in the recent past. So to say that the new developments will give us 20 yrs worth of visas is not correct based on the events of recent years.
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logiclife
06-28 08:14 PM
Read this memo:
http://bibdaily.com/pdfs/6-21-07%20AILA%20memo%20to%20Atyes%20&%20Neufeld.pdf
USCIS has indeed broken the law by doing what it did this month.
Like I said on the other thread. AILA's latest memo proves the USCIS violated regulations by rejecting EB3-other 485 petitions in the middle of the month even though those petitions were current in June.
And like I said, USCIS is now acting like an undocumented immigrant violating laws and regulations. And we just finished an 18 month debate in the senate about the law abiding issues of immigrants.
http://bibdaily.com/pdfs/6-21-07%20AILA%20memo%20to%20Atyes%20&%20Neufeld.pdf
USCIS has indeed broken the law by doing what it did this month.
Like I said on the other thread. AILA's latest memo proves the USCIS violated regulations by rejecting EB3-other 485 petitions in the middle of the month even though those petitions were current in June.
And like I said, USCIS is now acting like an undocumented immigrant violating laws and regulations. And we just finished an 18 month debate in the senate about the law abiding issues of immigrants.
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sledge_hammer
05-29 11:11 AM
1] To date there are 60K EB2I and another 60K EB3I I-485 applictaions pending.
2] 3.2K visas were available for EB2I for FY2009.
Assuming 3.2K visas are available every year from now on, it will take 60/3.2=18.75 years for all EB2I applicants upto today to be granted GC.
Unbelievable!
2] 3.2K visas were available for EB2I for FY2009.
Assuming 3.2K visas are available every year from now on, it will take 60/3.2=18.75 years for all EB2I applicants upto today to be granted GC.
Unbelievable!
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manderson
02-12 12:09 PM
pls read my post. I said EB3 ROW
are you dreaming ... India EB3 is 01AUG01
are you dreaming ... India EB3 is 01AUG01
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desighee
07-27 04:03 PM
These guys might meet you and greet you in WMT. Once it happened, the guy's wife met my wife and complimented her that "Ooh you have a sweet little boy!" and that's how the convesation started with my wife and then with me. The guy told me he runs his "ecommerce business". Next day he calls us for tea to discuss "ecommerce business" , I became suspicious and charged him "Are you running Amway?" He said there is nothing wrong in running Amway business and I had a heated argument with him over this as to why he did not tell me earlier.
So thats it - nowadays they have adopted a different strategy!
i was once lured into a feakin quickstar/BWW something like that meeting unknowingly where their "platinum member" or some other looser was visiting.
it was me against all of them -my question was simple-why don't you answer all my questions regarding how this works and just keep telling me to have 'trust' in them!
they told me to have trust in our 'own company' and by its product like toothpaste etc.
Next thing i saw when i visited their restroom was a colgate toothpaste on the restroom sink.. haa..platinum loosers
So thats it - nowadays they have adopted a different strategy!
i was once lured into a feakin quickstar/BWW something like that meeting unknowingly where their "platinum member" or some other looser was visiting.
it was me against all of them -my question was simple-why don't you answer all my questions regarding how this works and just keep telling me to have 'trust' in them!
they told me to have trust in our 'own company' and by its product like toothpaste etc.
Next thing i saw when i visited their restroom was a colgate toothpaste on the restroom sink.. haa..platinum loosers
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H1B-GC
02-06 01:31 PM
I even read somewhere that once labor gets approved,Employer got to file I-140 within 60 days or so.
satishku_2000
07-03 09:41 PM
I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
Introduction
Retrogression in GC process.
What happened
USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
Spouse can work.
Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
Rejected June filers can not file.
June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
Fees more then doubling
Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
Load balancing for USCIS.
USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
age out situations for children too ....I think that affects lot of people too..I am single and dont have kids :D
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
Introduction
Retrogression in GC process.
What happened
USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
Spouse can work.
Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
Rejected June filers can not file.
June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
Fees more then doubling
Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
Load balancing for USCIS.
USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
age out situations for children too ....I think that affects lot of people too..I am single and dont have kids :D
ronhira
01-13 04:34 PM
IV already has easy, non controversial provisions that takes care of all.
1) Recapture all lost visas.
2) NO Country caps
3) Do not count dependants.
Just these 3 will make all categories current.
so what's the problem..... y don't iv get these provisions done? what r we waiting for?
1) Recapture all lost visas.
2) NO Country caps
3) Do not count dependants.
Just these 3 will make all categories current.
so what's the problem..... y don't iv get these provisions done? what r we waiting for?
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