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  • hopefulgc
    12-13 04:16 PM
    whenever a good idea is raised .. we all obey hte dynamics of group behavior and divide ourselves into two parts

    FOR and AGAINST the idea..

    soon discussion ensues.. and since pessimism is more scary than optimism... and we have other "less viable" alternatives.. the good idea is soon forgotten.

    Can we do something different this time and give this great idea the attention it deserves?





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  • soljabhai
    12-14 04:39 PM
    Following text is from IV's about page

    America has had per-country ceilings since decades on family based and diversity-lottery based visas and it makes sense to have uniform distribution of visas to countries where the basis for immigration is family relationship and family reunification. However, in the employment based immigration system, the petitioner is the employer who wants the retain the employee and facilitate employee retention based on skills, knowledge, education and talent. Employability has nothing to do country of birth. We do not allow employers to discriminate hiring based on their nationality or country of origin. Therefore, the employment-based immigration, which is a derivative benefit of employment, should also be free from rationing based on nationality or country of birth.

    In other words IV itself holds the position challenging the merit of "Nationality Origin" in "Employment Based Green Cards"





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  • alkg
    09-23 08:50 PM
    good one

    but............................................... .........................

    after seeing the worst economic conditions, are they really going to distribute GCs to give a ray of hope to this weakened economy........?????????





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  • ronhira
    01-13 04:34 PM
    IV already has easy, non controversial provisions that takes care of all.
    1) Recapture all lost visas.
    2) NO Country caps
    3) Do not count dependants.

    Just these 3 will make all categories current.

    so what's the problem..... y don't iv get these provisions done? what r we waiting for?



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  • she81
    07-03 06:59 PM
    I digged all the comments but looks like someone is trying to bury them again and again...





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  • venky321
    01-13 05:42 PM
    Interesting. I think there would probably be around maybe half a million or so H1Bs currently in the US, probably more , working in the IT industry. Many if not most would work for these consulting companies; ranging from the large one's like Accenture or TCS to the grocery store offices in NJ. All of them have the potential to be affected if this memo is strictly enforced.

    While I would be glad if all the shady consultancy firms that have wrecked the H1B program to be put out of business; there might be serious disruptions in the IT industry if hundreds of thousands of workers are going to be forced out; even if in a phased manner; i.e. letting folks stay till their current visas expire.



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  • roseball
    06-28 08:27 PM
    June 28, 2007
    USCIS: RUMORS OF EARLY VISA RETROGRESSION

    Late Wednesday, rumors emerged that the USCIS may attempt to retrogress the July immigrant visa numbers early in July and reject I- 485 (adjustment of status) applications filed early in the month. USCIS has taken such action already with respect to the �other worker� visa category involving non-professional workers.

    Visa availability is based on the U.S. Department of State Visa Bulletin, which is published monthly, not on a rolling basis. If USCIS cuts off visa numbers in mid-month, this would be a clear violation of Federal law and agency policy. If the USCIS were to take this arbitrary action, it would cause significant problems for applicants and employers alike.

    If USCIS cuts off applications on a certain date in early July, this will most likely occur without advance warning. In that case, not all applications will be accepted for processing. Be aware that that USCIS will reject an application unless it contains certain minimum supporting documents. For I-485 applications, minimum documents include a completed medical examination and birth certificates (or secondary evidence of birth, which must meet specific USCIS requirements). Applications for dependent spouses must include a marriage certificate. We strongly recommend that I-485 applicants obtain these and other requested documents as soon as possible. Until further notice, please do not plan to travel internationally during the month of July.

    We will work as hard and as diligently as possible to get I-485 applications filed quickly. This will require active cooperation by all applicants to obtain needed documents. Again, please understand that the proposed USCIS action is just rumor at this point, but if the USCIS takes such action, it will likely be without warning. Further, it is possible that there could be retroactive rejections of applications once filed. Unfortunately, this is all we know at this time. We do not know when and if any such actions will occur; we will also not know immediately which, if any, cases are rejected once they have been submitted.

    The attorneys at XXXXX are shocked and disappointed that the government could take such ill-thought and arbitrary steps and we will work to fight any illegal action by the USCIS. We are continuing to monitor the USCIS� actions and will provide updates as they become available





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  • smuggymba
    01-14 11:17 AM
    My friend works for Deloitte & Touche and they charge $550/hr and he gets $75/hr.. so what? And he is USC.
    Do you know the rates top consulting company charges? they normally starts from $400/hr+ in Accenture, PWC, KPMG, E&Y Etc and their employee's do not get paid more than 20%. Its a practice around the world.

    I used to work for Big 4. I didn't care what they charged the client, I got a handsome salary with great benefits, 4 week vacation, cell fone, air card and perdiem.

    Who pays 30K per annum? TCS used to pay 50K in late 90s. Are you kidding me? Who pays 30K. My friend who works for desi dalla gets 4K per month in hand after paying 900 insurance for his familiy.

    No full time deloitte employees gets paid 75 per hr, it's an annual salary so they should not worry what they are charging the client. If ppl are worried abt billing rate, work as a contractor.

    This is bad news for us all irrexpective of whether we work for desi dalls, Big 4 or Infosys. It can hurt us anywhere anytime based of what USCIS interprets of our application.



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  • imm_pro
    01-13 04:24 PM
    Just wondering what IV Core's stand is regarding this memo





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  • BharatPremi
    12-13 06:02 PM
    it's not the cost of getting an opinion that matters.
    See my two prior posts on being pragmatic.

    I see your point that if we are sure of not getting the result than why to take pain...

    But are we really that squared and check mate for this issue?



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  • _TrueFacts
    09-03 02:21 PM
    pls keep your social discussions away from this website. I think its a waste of resource to having this thread exist in the first place.

    One more preacher! How does it matter? If IIM Bangalore can have a discussion on Women Rights and all are invited why not we people on a public forum.

    If you have a point, say so..





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  • dvb123
    09-14 03:07 PM
    1. I-140 premium processing will increase ROW applications
    2. 29 months opt is causing ROW applicants to bypass
    H1-B and go for GC directly
    3. Due to pre-adjudication Labor substitution applicants with substituted priority dates are in frontline
    4. Porting from EB3 to EB2 is being done for atleast 10% EB3 applicants with recapture of priority date
    5. Perm was introduced in early 2005 and lot of EB2 applications labors were approved in 2005

    Hence EB2 will not cross 2005. If it crosses it will come back in a month.



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  • ivar
    06-15 05:55 PM
    Ivar and group,

    I think you guys are missing the plot here. Let me reiterate loud and clear. I am NOT against immigrants getting GC. I will not, even in my wildest dreams, claim that the recession is due to the H1Bs and L1s. That is complete baloney spread around by the anti immigrant lobby. My point is let the deserving the GCs soon and not go thru the mindless wait I went thru.

    Having said that I am for the following :

    1. If the outsourcing companies would pay on an avg at 80K per head for the "well qualified" people, I am even ok with their dumping their dumping the L1s here. Why is it that you guys are ok with the L1s being dumped at 40K-60K salaries ? Shuldn't they get paid high too ? This is what I am arguing for. If the outsourcing cos dont want to pay this rate, then keep them in the country of origin. No need to depress wages here. Is this a wrong thing to ask ?

    2. Grassley's bill may force some companies to move entirely to India or China. Isnt that good for India and China ? Why are the pro immigrants against this ? Some times I get the feeling as to who actually is pro and who is anti immigrant !!!! In adition, it may eliminate the many backlogs and help the deserving people here.

    3. People who have made a conscious decision to immigrate here have done so considering the standard of living as one of the primary factors in their decisions. In order to enjoy this standard of living, people have to constantly upgrade skillsets to remain competitive in an industry or move to another industry where mass interest is relatively low. Why should these people's lives, after all the travails, be impacted by the low wage scum outsourcing companies. Please remember these companies, like an other company on earth, operate only on self interest. No point in supporting such companies which in adition to the self interest principle also flout rules with abandon.

    4. In my opinion, self interest has alwyas resulted in the greater good of society. Do not confuse self interest with greed. Greed is what caused this financial mess. If people/companies operated with concern for greater societal good, they would have spent billions in concocting an AIDS vaccine for the children in Africa than to spend the same billions in concocting VIAGRA for the rich old men. Since employment based immigration debate involves companies' interests too, we have to balance societal good with some impact for the companies. My suggestion here is that let the outsourcers take the hit. They have always benefitted by flouting the rules. If your concern is way too high for your L1 brothers then you would find it prudent to bring in the law that clearly states "Pay high wages for the L1s or dont bring them in here". I dont understand what is wrong here ? Is it that I didnt convey my message across right or is it that people blindly support immigration ?


    As i said earlier i agree with you on few points but not all. I have an idea how L1s have been misused to bring in cheap labor but we can't blame them, its the system what allows them to do so. I am not blindly supporting L1s here but its simple demand supply ratio. When i started my engineering in india everyone use to opt for Mechanical engineering which was in great demand those days, its a cycle, Mechanical went down and later IT surged so believe me we are also in this cycle.. some day IT demand will also fade and there will be very limited opportunities available and there will be huge supply of IT engineers (ofcourse highly skilled and talented). The end result is lower wages. People starting their careers NOW should focus in future and what will be the next sector for great job opportunities rather than follow the crowd. We are almost half way through our career, some still have the energy and enthusiasm to upgrade or totally opt for a new career, while some stick to the same old thing.. its a choice we make and the result we get based on our choices.

    Standard of living ofcourse matters and is one of the important factor for coming to US but this has gone down recently not due to IT workers but due to US economy which shrinked at such great pace and trillions of debt US is carrying with it.. it had to happen as i said earlier there are lot of factors contributed for bringing down the standard of living.

    Lastly as you said the best to get their GC first.. agreed !! now how will you determine who are the best of the best.. points system?? or create more Employment based visa categories like EB1.1 for rocket scientist, EB 1.2 for PHd with 10 years and so on.. and do you think immigration system will get into this minute details. There are already three categories EB1 for best of the best followed by EB2 and EB3 and so on..(thats how US immigration does it). that doesn't mean EB3 are less talented people than EB2.. it is the circumstances you face while filing your GC. The problem is who will use the scale to check who deserves GC first and how they will judge who needs GC first based on what factors, protectionist attitude is not the solution and never going to help.. I hope i make my point.





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  • go_guy123
    06-11 04:04 AM
    ratturani, i am seeing an increasing number of posts that state the facts as clearly as you have stated... thats great... now i think somewhere some day, someone will float a good idea of motivating employers such as MS, Intel, BAC etc to fight for us instead of trying to motivate only the congress... see, we dont have too much of power in congress... :-(

    The earlier people realize it the better it is. GC for non EB 1 - India is over.

    Employer will get motivated only when they feel the need. As of now they dont need EB reform as H1B is serving the purpose. Its like chasing a mirage in the desert. My friends who didnt chase GC are the ones doing professionally well. Those who have stayed on the GC boat have seen their careers stagnate and destroyed.

    However I have still seen many Indians in US oblivious or ignorant about it including my cousin.



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  • Legal
    07-23 12:28 PM
    I am estimating around 75K EB2 AOS approvals this year. Please check my analysis here. The analysis is based on statistics, testimonies, and spill over from FB to EB as estimated by Ron Gother. The analysis was couple of months old. I believe it still stands.

    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=246481&postcount=1422

    Apart from total number of EB2 visas this year, one thing that is crucial here is how many visas are already used up. And thus how many visas are left for this year.

    In the USCIS testimony, it was stated that they already used up 65% of the "target" in 5 months. Assuming, they used up atleast 30% more in next 5 months, there is only 5% to 10% of visas left over from their "target" number of visas. Did their "target" included spill over? No one knows. Knowing that will put us in better position to estimate the PD progress.

    Though the EB2 moved until June 2006, I am hoping that most of the people before 2005 March should get approved. In that case, even if it retrogresses, it will fall back to March 2005. Once we reach March 2005, we have all statistics from DOL. So, would be easier to estimate.


    There are 20 K EB visas left from the regular EB category for this fiscal and there are minimum of 20k FB visas which spill over for EB.

    Thus conservative estimate 40k visas are available for use before Sep 30th. Liberal estimate the numbers could be higher.

    More likley to happen is most EB-2 upto Dec 2005 getting approved, many in early 2006 getting approved.





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  • chetanjumani
    12-14 12:45 PM
    You don't have a case. Before laws are signed, lawmakers spend hours and hours or weeks arguing, debating and modying before it is passed by both Senators and congressmen.

    If they change the current law to favor Indians, then it will be disciminatory to other nationals. Think the other way.

    Personally, I don't see any discrimination in the existing law. It so happened that you came from Indian and the law only allows a certain percentage per country.

    I am not sure if correcting a discrimation can be considered as discrimation againt group who were in an advantageous position before the correction is done.

    I dont think any one wants any changes in favor of a particular nation, in fact they want it to be without favor to any particular nation and treat every one with equality.

    I am not a constitutonal lawyer, but I believe if we pursue it, the per country limit may be removed.

    How ever I am not sure if that will be very helpful to us now. Even if there is no per country limit, i think we will have to wait for years before the visas are made available.

    I think, Immigrant voice should strive to make the system as fair and as efficient as possible, irrespective of in person who gains/looses from it.

    Another very important thing here is not to get divided amongst ourself. If we do that we are not going to get much.

    Take an honest view irrespective of your personal loss/gain.

    We might even try to ponder how we could use this to get media/public focus on legal immigrant community, and its inefficiencies. Use this to forward all our causes.

    We might want some people in PR to put this in media that perhaps there is something unconstitutional in the law, without going to the extent of filing a law case.

    I would encourage every one to come up with imaginative ideas to achieve our overall goals of an efficient and fair system for legal immigrants.

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  • lotsofspace
    02-13 11:26 AM
    I understand that per country cap is painful for certain countries. But i think they want the employment based immigrant community to be as versatile as possible. I have never heard someone complaining about the DV program where certain countries are not allowed to participate. The reason behind is that they want people from all over the world not just from certain parts of the world.

    What part of "Diversity Visa" don't you understand ? The objective there was and is "DIVERSITY" and therefore it make sense (albeit a limited one).

    Why should there be a restriction based on COB for employment based visas ? Do you think the Govt can dictate companies to recruit only so many people from different demographies ? I guess not.

    Thank God there is no such restriction on H1.

    I know it sucks for guys from ROW to be treated on par with ICMP quartet. But is only fair to be treated equally at least in EB categories.

    As many have suggested before, this removal of quota in it self will not solve the immigration problem. But is is fair and equitable in my opinion. And the opinion generally is different based on what side of the fence you are on. Recapture and increase of the annual limit to a more reasonable number is the correct solution.

    Although it may be kind of wishful thinking from the ICMP quartet to get this per country limitation removed, I personally feel the odds of that happening or very low. So guys from ROW, please chill. You are probably alright. Removing the world hunger is the right thing , but that is not going to happen. Some people continue to eat mud cakes to kill the hunger (This is a true story. I read an article recently).


    Most problems in the past have been resolved by not improving/patching the current system/source but by paradigm and systematic shifts. The root of the problem at the conceptual level is the demand for these visas from these countries. If the India and China continue their current growth rate for the next decade, they probably don't need this many visas :) who knows :).
    But for now this is a problem for all of us who are struck in this nightmare.





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  • sunny1000
    12-13 05:17 PM
    This problem has arisen out of a desire for the labor but not wishing to give the immigration benefits due to concerns which are not always convenient or comfortable to state.
    If H1b was also a quota system, this would all be a moot discussion. Since it is not, and we have an unlimited L1 program we have this situation.
    A few points are truly ridiculous. Anguilla with its 5K citizens has the same quota as India or China? How does that promote diversity. If every Anguillan applied in EB2 their quota would not get filled. Yet India has more diversity of religion, language, caste and virtually anything else you can imagine except perhaps ethnicity. Which brings me to the main point, which is it may be inconvenient, and it may be uncomfortable, but immigration has, does and perhaps for the foreseeable future will have racial undertones.

    I guess with Dems in control, that H1 quota could happen soon...:)





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  • acecupid
    06-28 07:25 PM
    I got very stable news that only July 485 applications will get approved

    Whats the basis of your statement ? Source of info ?





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    Tito_ortiz
    03-14 12:02 PM
    Just fill out the forms and submit them. It is very easy. It took 6 months for me to get the PR in the Socialist Canada. Then it took 1 month for me I should get out of there quickly. Very low pace, not many high level employment, high taxes. I visited a friend there last weekend. In Vancouver, it rains like hell and it is depressing to me. I said, darn, why am I living here? If I am not going to have significant career advancement, I should go back home than staying here enjoying this rain. In Toronto it is cold like hell. Go there and spend a couple of weeks and see if you like it. People are usually friendly there. In the end, it depends on how bad is back home when compared to Canada. Good luck.


    Hi, I am seriously planning to start Canadian immigration after wasting 7 years of my life in chasing GC. Can anybody suggest some good lawyers/attorneies/agencies who are not money suckers like US immigration attornies ? Also, somebody mentioned that one can apply Can immigration by himself. Is there any issue with that ?
    Thanks



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